I’m probably going to regret bringing this up, but I’d like to comment on your feelings on the ‘down with cis’ post from a while ago. I’m going to try and be civil, but I make no promises. I understand your thoughts on how ‘minorities have often ended up becoming the majority’, and, in all honesty, I can see what you mean (for example, Christians were often persecuted by Jewish extremists until it gathered a larger following).
However, that is no excuse for the things that cisgender people have done to transgender people. When a trans person says “Down with cis”, they are mainly using it as a sort of defense mechanism, a way to get back at cis people without major repercussions (though this often backfires and cis people end up calling us out for it anyway). Meanwhile, cis people are constantly allowed to make jokes about us and the things we go through and how we’re ‘disgusting’ and 'abominations’ and so on, and if we try to defend ourselves, we’re told we’re 'being too sensitive’, and to 'lighten up, it’s just a joke’. Cis people are also allowed to murder us, and get away scot-free, by claiming the 'Trans Panic Defense’, a legal loophole that states that if a cis person kills a trans person, they can say that they did it out of fear and anger and couldn’t control their actions, meaning that several boys and girls are murdered for no reason except for ignorant assholes who think they can decide when somebody lives or dies.
You people are able to do whatever you want to us, with little to no repercussions, and yet when we tell a simple joke, we’re the ones in the wrong.
Now, I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you’re not intending to be transphobic, and, to be fair, you haven’t done anything too bad yet, if anything bad at all. It’s simply society and how our society treats things like this, teaching us right from the womb that trans people are there to be mocked and shamed and eradicated. However, I would also like to suggest that you consider another person’s viewpoint, especially when that person/group of people is the one the post is about. Cis people’s feelings do not count when we are talking about trans people’s lives and experiences.
Now, as for trans people taking Undertale and using it to 'spew hateful comments’, I do agree that the main message of the game is acceptance and unity, and calling someone out for who they are is wrong and it’s wrong to use a game like that for such a purpose. But again, it’s a joke being used as a way to vent, to strike back at people who have harmed us in so many ways when all we ask is that, at the very LEAST, you stop killing us. You’re not meant to take it as seriously as you did.
I honestly hope that what I said has made at least some sort of level of understanding for you, and I hope that you don’t take this too harshly. I am not directly calling you out, and if it seems like I was, I apologize. That was not my intention and I simply wanted to make a point.
Keep up the good work on the science and theories, and I hope to at least reach an understanding with you.
(Also, I apologize if this is not something I should have submitted, but the 'Ask’ page only allows for X number of characters, and as you can see, I would not have had nearly enough room to get out everything I wanted to say)
UnderTale science:
I didn’t want to have to talk about this, but since you asked, the main problem I have is that venting and “defense mechanism” and “getting back” are not excuses, for any minority or majority, for anyone. Hate incites more hate.
Same goes for the whole “once you people stop killing us” as if all Cis people support killing Trans people, generalizations are wrong. I have friends that are trans, the idea that by being Cis I am somehow complicit or supporting hatred and violence against trans people when I’m working and good friends with trans people is just absurd, just like any other use of that fallacy, just because a few extremists of a group do something bad, does not mean it is okay to insult, downplay, discriminate, or insinuate anything about the vast majority of people in that group, something most Trans people know the pain of from experience.
Why would you assume I, or any other cis person, supports such hateful jokes about any group of people? Why would I go and rant and then be a hypocrite and say it’s okay and its a joke if it’s done to anyone else? There’s a difference between satire and hateful comments. I would never say “it’s just a joke” or “down with (group of people)” or “I hate (group of people)” or “aww, did I hurt your (slur for groups of people) feelings?”. That’s never okay. Neither is the idea you can kill a person for the group they are in and claim you panicked and accidentally committed a hate crime. No fair legal court would agree with that. That’s just something that happens when corruption and hatred takes over a court of law. There’s not really a law that you can kill a person for being trans, that isn’t constitutional.
You can’t tell any group they aren’t allowed to be offended, you can’t say that a group of people can’t have slurs made against them, you can’t say a group of people have not been discriminated against, because you don’t know that, and in most cases you would be wrong. You would be surprised the inane things we fight over. People are discriminated for being on the other side of an imaginary shifting line that in many cases ends up separating houses and neighborhoods. People are discriminated against for their hair or eye color. Discriminated against for their fandom. Discriminated against for their favorite color (no joke, actually had several cases in ancient history where a color was seen as forbidden and those who wore clothing in that color or collected things of that color were seen as heretics and monsters and witches). Discriminated against for the vehicle they drive, discriminated against for their accent, the way they walk, the hand they eat with or write with (the Latin word for left was also the root word for “sinister”, various religious texts wrote that those who had their left hand as the dominant hand were evil).
You cannot say that because a group has more people than another group, that your groups discrimination means more, or that you are inherently worth more and your pain is more important than any other group. That is what equality means,we all are equal and thus we are striving for equal treatment and not splitting us up like we aren’t all sentient beings. You can give facts, like “there are no reports of Hate crimes against Cis people in this report cited here”, or that “ a trans person is significantly more likely to be killed for who they are than a Muslim according to these statistics when adjusted for group population size” or that “an African American person is more likely to be killed in this study”. That is really not helping when all it does is lead to groups arguing who is the most oppressed and who is the most in need of equal rights,which is in itself an oxymoronic statement, that for equal rights certain groups need equal rights before or more than other groups.
You could spend months arguing over if it’s total amount of lives effected that matters or if it’s the percentage of lives in a certain population of a group that matters, or if it’s the severity of the discrimination that matters.
All that does is waste time turning people against each other while they all try to claim they care about equality and act like other groups couldn’t understand how it feels to be oppressed like them, or like people can only align with one group, like someone can’t be a gay African American-Asian trans woman that is a democrat and a Muslim that likes Steven universe and Undertale and comics and Star Trek and Star Wars and the color purple and the color black. I know one, and she is friends with me, a white Cis straight man that has no religion or political party. She said I could use what she said and her name to defend this point, but for her safety I’m not going to elaborate any further out of fear someone would find out who she is, I already hope what I’ve been forced to say to defend myself isn’t enough for people to find her. Just know that if we can be friends despite who we are, you can accept that we are all equal, we all face discrimination, and I severely hope most people care about ending that discrimination, and I support the few that want true equality, not feminism, black lives matter, or whatever group that forms that cares about equality for some before equality for others, as if that makes sense.
If every minority banded together, there would be no majority left. Just one group. If there are truly people in the USA that are the majority for everything, there’s probably so few of them that they would make up one of the smallest groups, and believe me, they would still find things to disagree on.
Down with hate, for any group.
Phew that was a lot of typing, my phones screen is going to start wearing away from all this.
Maybe some day I’ll make a book, and at least if you hate it like many will hate this post, it will be so big you can carve it out with a chainsaw and use it as a storage crate.
Why are you still reading this?
Don’t you have anything better to do?
